Global Warming....THROUGHOUT THE SOLAR SYSTEM

[whitestone]

To cut to the chase, as it were......all the scientific and PC reasons for "Global Warming" are for the vast majority of those given......quite redundant in the face of some strange and unexplained findings. And, because I haven't been organized or sufficiently diligent, I cant yet supply links.

However, the reasons given for global no longer apply in the case of global warming being detected on a number of the other planets in our solar system. Mars is a case in point; but even significant temperature increase has been detected on Pluto and others in between. And how I wish I had kept the page and site references that I read this interesting stuff on !

So........if anyone has links or info relevant to this topic, please add to this thread !!

Regards.

[Grant]

Its certainly a "hot" topic. Lets face it, the big ball in the sky is a lot more powerful than we give it credit for and certainly contributes to global warming on a bigger scale than man.

That said, I still think we should do our bit. I'll look forward to seeing some of those links.

[RWood]

Originally Posted by whitestone

To cut to the chase, as it were......all the scientific and PC reasons for "Global Warming" are for the vast majority of those given......quite redundant in the face of some strange and unexplained findings. And, because I haven't been organized or sufficiently diligent, I cant yet supply links.

However, the reasons given for global no longer apply in the case of global warming being detected on a number of the other planets in our solar system. Mars is a case in point; but even significant temperature increase has been detected on Pluto and others in between. And how I wish I had kept the page and site references that I read this interesting stuff on !

So........if anyone has links or info relevant to this topic, please add to this thread !!

Regards.

Redundant???

Not another forum with anti-AGW! I'm fed up with this stuff. It follows me around everywhere.I have spent about 7-8 months following the arguments on a large UK forum and on an Australian forum, among others. My conclusion after seeing miles of stuff, a lot of it fed from industry-financed spam in the first instance, is that not a single one of the arguments put forward by anti-GW and anti-AGW groups has any serious scientific validity. In many case discredited lines of thought are recycled, often with certain bits of information deliberatley left out.

Note: a lot of the "newbie" antis are very confused on one fundamental point right at the outset - they don't know which denier camp they belong to - the anti-GWers, who deny warming is happening at all, or the anti-AGWers, who deny that human contributions to the rapidly rising levels of CO2 are responsible (or even deny that CO2 has any important effect at all).

I was hoping that at least this site might be free of such tedious things. If it gathers much momentum, I'm leaving - I'm sick to death of reading the stuff.

There is some perversity in human beings that suggests that there's damn little chance that problems in this area will get solved, givent that so many are still in denial about the existence of a problem.

If anyone wants to see typical arguments put up by the opposers on this stuff and see the mainstream scientific (not political) response ,they should go to the Aussie WZ forum and look for the thread "Global Warming - a Coverup?" It is now closed but of course the subject has been resurrected under another heading. A meteorologist under the name "David" has provided extensive arguments, links and explanations about the points that get raised. [An interesting sidelight is the fact that he has actually had death threats from some individuals associated with the virulently anti-GW site "climateaudit" whose "information" gets requoted all over the place].

A small point of local interest: the Climate Science Coalition that the late Augie Auer headed several times put out stories quoting temperature data for some NZ sites, purporting to show that NZ hadn't warmed in the 20th century. This data was inaccurate and misleading, and even after NIWA pointed out the crude mistakes in the data, the Coalition kept republishing it repeatedly.

Apart from this post, as I said, I'm not getting involved - waste of time and energy. History will deliver the verdict. Arguing further now just aids and abets those who have a vested interest in doing nothing.

[whitestone]

To RWood:

Read your post, and respect whatever sentiments you may hold concerning the topic. Just for the record, I don't wish to 'add' my voice to this side or that.......but if what I'm reading here and there is correct, and the sunspot activity during the last 60 years or so is greater than in all recorded history......and the sun's luminosity has increased over 200%......and temperature readings of most, or all the planets are apparently showing significant increases.....then my inquiring and reasonably intelligent mind tells me that the explanations for global warming are far more significant than what we imagine.

[Grant]

Originally Posted by RWood

Redundant???

Not another forum with anti-AGW! I'm fed up with this stuff. It follows me around everywhere.....

....I was hoping that at least this site might be free of such tedious things. If it gathers much momentum, I'm leaving - I'm sick to death of reading the stuff.

I'm not going to get into a GW debate. I will however comment on the forum aspects of the post.

Many people have their views on a variety of subjects and are entitled to their opinion. Where that opinion differs I have to respect that and get on with my life. Posts and threads will only be censored if they break the forum rules, are abusive or become personal.

You obviously have strong feelings about the subject. It will, of course, continue to pop up every now and then, on all sorts of public forums covering a variety of subject matter. If you want to avoid it on here, then hit the "mark topic as read" option.

Its the same concept as a newspaper or tv channel. If you don't like an article headline or the program title, you dont read or watch it.

It doesn't stop you watching or reading other articles or programs from that media source. Why should a forum be any different?

The matter is now closed and we should revert back to the original subject in post #1

[whitestone]

Ok, one or two links I've re-discovered:
SPACE.com -- Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists
Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds | LiveScience
hopefully more later when I get time.

[ATO2]

Originally Posted by Grant

Its certainly a "hot" topic. Lets face it, the big ball in the sky is a lot more powerful than we give it credit for and certainly contributes to global warming on a bigger scale than man.

That said, I still think we should do our bit. I'll look forward to seeing some of those links.

I must contribute my tuppence worth! I think study of changes in the Martian climate over time will be a useful parallel (did I spell that right?)discipline to what we find out about our own planet's changes. Plus Mars' orbit is more eccentric than Earth's. Should be interesting.

[ATO2]

Originally Posted by ATO2

I must contribute my tuppence worth! I think study of changes in the Martian climate over time will be a useful parallel (did I spell that right?)discipline to what we find out about our own planet's changes. Plus Mars' orbit is more eccentric than Earth's. Should be interesting.

Just following on from the UK floods...isn't this pretty much in line with the predications re global warming for England---warmer Summers and much more pluvial activity?

[whitestone]

Originally Posted by ATO2

I must contribute my tuppence worth! I think study of changes in the Martian climate over time will be a useful parallel (did I spell that right?)discipline to what we find out about our own planet's changes. Plus Mars' orbit is more eccentric than Earth's. Should be interesting.

ATO2.....nothing wrong with your tuppence worth ! I havnt looked into it in any detail, but it would be interesting to see (as you suggested) if Mars temperatures were consistently higher throughout its full orbit.....adjusting for proximity and distance.

Ken.

[Grant]

Originally Posted by ATO2

Just following on from the UK floods...isn't this pretty much in line with the predications re global warming for England---warmer Summers and much more pluvial activity?

Yes I suppose its inline with one half of the camps predictions